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Doug,

Thanks for sharing the story above. That sounds like a painful way to lose a friend. I've seen similar scenarios play out amongst my peers during my early days in undergraduate & graduate school. We can sometimes be so polarized when we don our theological hats and take sides. The professor in your advanced seminar on Calvin posed a good question. I've often wondered whether Calvin or Luther would recognize the modern day movements bearing their names.

I was a gun-slinging Calvinist, too. I once made our college group's website headline "Arminians Beware!" and I wondered if non-Calvinists were genuinely Christians.

Thankfully, I was but young and foolish then, trying to navigate the new world of faith I had only recently entered into, and I have grown to have a broader vision. This was due in large measure to a few men who reshaped my view of Calvinism and Christianity in general -- especially John Frame and Richard Pratt at Reformed Seminary and Vern Poythress at Westminster Seminary (see http://thirdmill.org and http://frame-poythress.org for many of their writings).

They modeled for me what it means to be reformed and always reforming and how to hold to the doctrines of grace with humility, grace, and love -- even better than the polemical Calvin, I daresay. I owe them a huge debt as they broke me of my arrogant self-righteousness in theology, and I wish more Calvinists followed their example.

Douglas, you say that you are not a Calvinist, but would you then describe yourself as an Arminian? Just curious.

Douglas,

Thanks for this post. I consider my theology to fall into the "Reformed" camp more than any other, but I weary of the continuous line-drawing that goes on between 5-pointers and those of different persuasions, effectively pigeon-holing Calvinists to the TULIP and Arminians into their theological nook. I think you're spot-on here: "The best thing about Calvinism is Calvin. Let’s get back to that." Thanks again for a great post.

I agree, the best thing about Calvinism, is Calvin. What is the worst?

I think the worst thing about popular reformed Calvinism is the destruction to scriptures. When EVERYTHING must be seen through 5 lenses, then the most significant of verses lose their significant. For example, take most of the parables of Christ. The first goal of 5 pointism is to determine who was SAVED, who wasn't, and why. Strangely, it is always in accordance with their five points.

The five points may be right, when properly understood... and not turned on their head...but the Bible is MORE than 5 points! Perhaps... just perhaps the Parable of the Sower is identifying something PRETTY important to believers.... Perhaps, there is a warning there (Not how to be SAVED, but how to respond to truth/the Kingdom/the Word) and without realizing that this parable has something to say to us (something besides, "these three aren't saved, this one is").

From what I read of Calvin, this type of blind exegesis was exactly what he was deploring in the teaching of the Catholic church.

@Shaun, I agree. I don't think polarizing an issue ever solved an issue, ever. God's best. Douglas

@ml - Thanks for sharing. I think most, if not all, people who go to seminary or similar experiences face the temptation when we are younger to become very rigid in areas of our theology. I know I did (in other areas) - so I'm with you there. I'm glad you came through, much wiser in the end. God will use your experiences because of it. Blessings

@Jason, Thanks! I, too, am heavily influenced by Reformed thought, but I part ways with the way it plays out in our world. I've not read everything Calvin's written, but I can't ever remember reading anything that I felt was totally off-base. I can't say the same thing for some later Reformed theologians. Blessings in your life,

Douglas--As a good friend of mine likes to say when being confronted with being a Calvinist: "I'm not a Calvinist--I don't believe in paedo-baptism!"

@Louis - Thanks for the question. No, I would not describe myself as Arminian, and in fact, would be far away from some Arminiam viewpoints. For example, I do believe that all people start out life in rebellion against God. But, I just don't see these two issues as an either/or. The either/or binary opposition way of thinking is the hallmark of the modern world, but it is not a 'biblical' way of thinking (not that you can discover that exactly, but we know it's not binary!). If it was, then Jesus would have to be either God, or man, but not both. Of course, we know Jesus is fully both.

Sometimes I have described myself as a determinist (with a nod to one of my former profs), using a 'postmodern' philosophical framework instead of a modern philosophical framework to try to answer the question (Calvinism and Arminianism as systems are almost always articulated with a very modern philosophical undercurrent). But this doesn't get you much further.

To answer your question simply, I am neither Calvinist nor Arminian but both fully sovereignty-of-God and fully free-will. I believe it is an unsolvable paradox - and the more we try to lift up one side of the debate, the further we get away from biblical truth. The more I focus on Jesus as man, the more I get away from Jesus as God. The more I focus on free-will, the more I forget God's very determined approach to our world, and vice versa.

Thanks for asking, and God bless,

Doug,

I am glad that you reject Calvinism, for it is unbiblical (though Calvinists are faithful to the Bible in many ways of course). But you seem to seriously misunderstamd Arminianism when you suggest that it does not believe that people start out in rebellion against God. Arminianism believes in total depravity. For a convenient resource, I would encourage you to check out the website of the Society of Evangelical Arminians (http://evangelicalarminians.org/). Many evangelicals are actually Arminian in theology without knowing it, and even deny the label because of misinformation. I wonder if you might actually embrace Arminianism if you understood it more fully. We even have a survy that helps tell you if you are an Arminian without knowing it.

God bless!

@Arminian - Yes, of course you are right; not all Arminians deny total depravity (although, of course, some do). I was oversimplifying and stand corrected from doing so. While I will definitely check out your website, it is unlikely I would fall much within the Arminian camp, partly due to the modernistic philosophy that undergirds historical Arminianism as it does historical Calvinism. Sorry! But thanks for the comment! Blessings,

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