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Well done, Mike. Thank you for this thoughtful essay.

I think it is pretty weak to try and justify Calvin simply because he didn’t actually light the fire. He clearly wanted Servetus dead by his own admission. Just because “most everyone” wanted Servetus to die doesn’t make it right.

Calvin:
“Servetus has just sent me a long volume of his ravings. If I consent he will come here, but I will not give my word for if he comes here, if my authority is worth anything, I will never permit him to depart alive”

“I hope that sentence of death will at least be passed on him; but I desired that the severity of the punishment be mitigated.”

“I hope that sentence of death will at least be passed on him; but I desired that the severity of the punishment be mitigated.”

Jesus:
John 16:2 They will put you out of the synagogues. Indeed, the hour is coming when whoever kills you will think he is offering service to God. (Joh 16:2 ESV)

Sorry my 3rd Calvin quote should be:

"Whoever shall maintain that wrong is done to heretics and blasphemers in punishing them makes himself an accomplice in their crime and guilty as they are."

Jamie,
The John 16 passage couldn't be less relevant to the matter of Michael Servetus. Jesus was addressing his disciples when he wrote that. Servetus was an anti-trinitarian heretic. Certainly, putting someone to death for heterodoxy is very wrong, but your plea to the words of Christ in John 16 is completely misplaced.

I'd love to hear Dr. Wittmer's answer to this question from DesiringGOD: "What would you change about John Calvin?"

http://www.desiringgod.org/Blog/1910_whats_one_thing_youd_change_about_calvin/

Of course, other commenters are welcome to respond as well. But you didn't need me to tell you that, right? :-)

I would disagree. I think it is very relevant. In this case (John 16) Jesus is talking about the Jews killing his disciples and thinking they were offering service to God. It is the same scenario. One religious group thinks the other is “Heretical” for whatever reason and must be killed. You see the same mindset with Calvin. Kill the heretic and do God’s will. I don’t see this behavior in the early church or in the text of the New Testament.

The fact of the matter is that anyone who believes anything will look at other groups and think they are heretical. If you think it is excusable Christian behavior to use your authority to condemn someone to death over a theological issue, than I think you have a problem. That was the impression that I got from your post (maybe wrong). Calvin wasn’t so bad because he didn’t actually kill Servetus. Oh yea, he also didn’t want to burn him, just have him dispatched quickly.

I don’t buy it. The simple fact that Calvin didn’t light the wood pile under Servetus’ feet does not make his behavior excusable.

Note. It wasn't Rev. Z. Bartels that made the initial blog post. I incorrectly attributed the post to him.

Calvin was instrumental in the execution of Michael Servetus.I really don't understand how these people could claim any fellowship with Christ when they believed in the exact opposite of what Jesus taught. Jesus said his kingdom was not of this world for if it were of this world his followers would fight against the Jews. He taught so far beyond the Law and the ten commandments but people still look to Moses for salvation.

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