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Excellent Advice. Thank you.

Thanks Bill for the comments on the Imperfect tense, its a useful reminder. However, if my understanding of the UBS is correct, Jesus didn't actually say Luke 23:34 at all. In the UBS Luke 23:34 is in double square brackets which, according to the introduction, "indicate that the enclosed passages ... are known not to be part of the original text, but an addition at a very early stage of the tradition." There's also a footnote by the verse which indicates that the oldest texts do indeed omit the verse. So, if I've rightly understood the UBS, maybe the answer to your question is that Jesus didn't offer forgiveness from the Cross at all.


The updated NASB translates this verse as:

But Jesus was saying, "Father, forgive them; for they do not know what they are doing."

This seems to give the idea that Jesus said this statement more than once. So, if I understand rightly based on your comments, the NASB does not accurately translate this verse.

Am I right in my understanding?


Wow, we might want to rethink our basic approach to textual criticism. Great insight, James, hopefully wrong conclusion: "So, if I've rightly understood the UBS, maybe the answer to your question is that Jesus didn't offer forgiveness from the Cross at all."

ps. Rather than say offer, we might say, "praying His Father to Forgive."

I see author and Pastor, Denny Burk, on January 24th, 2011 gave a simple defense for the authenticity of this passage, the research for which he did in preparing to preach the same: http://www.dennyburk.com/did-jesus-pray-%E2%80%9Cfather-forgive-them%E2%80%9D/

Rather than recommend this interpretation mainly because Wallace says so, it might be better to note that the significance of a verb's tense, like a word's specific meaning or nuance, is determined in part by the context. Wallace may indeed be right about the use of elegen, but the question is, what in the context of Luke 24.34 would recommend (or prove) this intepretation of the tense as the best one in this passage?

I loved your summary. I love the picture you paint in how extravagant is God's love. It covers over a multitude of offenses. Very good reading. Thank you

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